does the fox say? can we play it again? >> no. that's it for us here in washington. "fox news up sunday" next. i'm chris wallace. the president and his team apologize for the troubled start of obamacare. >> there is no excuse for it, and i take full responsibility for making sure it gets fixed asap. >> let me say directly to these americans you deserve better. i apologize. >> a new report. just six people enrolled on day one. and the president broke his promise. >> if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. >> is the initial debacle a sign of things to come? today a debate over how obamacare will affect you. between one of the architects of the plan,

dr. ezekiel emanuel and a leading critic, jamesváisd capretta. one senator threatens to block federal nominees until a survivor of the benghazi attack appears before congress. >> how can the congress conclude an investigation if you don't have access to the people? >> senator lindsey graham only on "fox news sunday." with election day two days away we'll ask our panel how much trouble both parties are in. from our power player of the week. >> i knew from the second what had happened and why it happened. >> charles krauthammer opens up about his life-changing accident all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. it's been another tough week for obamacare, with continued problems on the government website and growing outrage over the

hundreds of thousands of people whose policies are being canceled. in fact, healthcare.gov was down again for repairs overnight for at least 12 hours. are these just bumps in the road or signs of fundamental problems? we brought in two experts to debate what's really going on. james capretta, health care expert with the ethics and public policy center. dr. ezekiel emanuel is one of the architects oft obamacare. gentlemen, welcome to "fox news sunday." let's start with that pledge from the president when he was trying to sell obamacare. here it is. >> we will keep this promise to the american people. if you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. period. if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan. period. no one will take it away. >> it turns out millions of

americans are not able to keep their plans. they're losing them. florida blue canceled 300,000 people. in california, 28 # 0,000 policies have been canceled. in oregon, 150,000. mr. capretta, the white house now says, its explanation is that pledge only counted until the health care law was signed in march of 2010 only for policies that were in effect before then. any way, these policies are lousy. >> there's two things. there was no extenuating circumstances when you said you can keep your plan. he didn't add a clause. in fact, he said clearly you can keep your plan. he said it once. he said it a thousand times. this wasn't a minor pledge. it was central to passing the law. it is sort of like the first president bush saying no new taxes. he broke that pledge. at least he had the honesty to tell everybody he was breaking the pledge. the president pledged this and never admitted he was

going to break it. there's millions of people going to lose it, at least 15 million, including people in the small business community. many small business people are going to lose their plans too. >> we're going to get to that. dr. emanuel, the "wall street journal" reported this weekend that you in fact were part of a debate inside the white house at the time about whether or not this claim you can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor was misleading. this week -- >> i -- >> let me ask the question. then you can answer. -- whether it was misleading. on megyn kelly's show this week you blamed the insurance companies. >> if an insurance companies decides it's changing how it's going to structure its plan that is not the law doing it. that is the insurance company deciding for business reasons. >> but, doctor, the obama law demands that the insurance companies change their plans. >> let's get to what happens in the individual market. first of all, i want to say the president takes very

seriously, and they he said over -- and this he said over when i was working with him. when we pass the law, we said any plan that existed before the date the law was passed would be grandfathered in unless lots of changes were made. we have to imagine obamacare not against a blank slate but against what insurance companies regularly do -- >> i have to ask you, does obamacare mandate that insurance companies change their plans to meet certain standards? >> yes, it brings it up. we grandfathered in all the preexisting plans. if you want to change plans or you want to buy a new car, you have to meet safety standards. that was the rule. >> wait a minute. your grandfathering is so narrow -- >> it is not so narrow. >> let me give an example. if an insurance company change the co-pay by more than $5 over the course of the three years since 2010 it is no longer

grandfathered in. >> usually a 25% change. that's a big change. >> a $5 change in the co-pay, now it is not grandfathered. >> you have to ask the question how many planks do you change in a boat before it's a different boat. that's the same thing here. we had a plan. we argued about it -- >> you didn't tell the americ >> no, we did. we grandfathered in the plans. >> you said if this plan is in effect until march of 2010 you can keep it. >> that's what it says. >> mr. capretta? >> grandfathered plans were allowed -- >> i didn't hear the president mention the word grandfathered in his pledges. >> people who knew the law knew the president wasn't telling the truth. the grandfathered clause was too narrow. they wrote a regulation intentionally trying to get people out of the individual market. they want the people to go into the exchanges because there's a lot of people in the individual markets. the point of the exchanges is to close down the

individual insurance market over time. >> insurance companies don't -- insurance companies don't like the individual market as it's constructed. they see the future. that individual market is going away. they don't want to invest in it. >> that's why president -- >> let me say this. the insurance companies are making that -- >> yes. gentlemen -- >> the law does not require -- >> gentlemen. this raises a bigger question which is who gets to decide. you say we kpwraouft policies with the -- we improve the policies with the obamacare mandate. who gets to decide what is a good policy or not. our colleague john roberts did a story about a woman named betsy hatter who is losing her policy. let's take a quick look at that. >> i was very happy with my plan. but then i got the letter saying it was no longer available and i would need to choose a new one. >> to replace the coverage she has premiums would have to go up from $450 a month to $871. her options on the

obamacare website weren't better. >> the deductible is $12,700. i can't afford a deductible of $12,700. >> dr. emanuel, why does betsy need you or president obama telling her what insurance she needs? >> for two reasons. first of all, if she goes in and that insurance doesn't cover enough and, which is typically what happens with these low-cost plans and she gets sick and exceeds, typically we who are insured pays the difference. the second thing just as we have safety standards for cars -- you can't buy a car without a seat belt, you can't buy a car without an air bag, you can drive them. we're not going to take them off the road. but if you're going to buy a new card, you have to have -- >> let me -- >> -- the same thing with obamacare -- >> -- i agree with you about the air bags and safety belts. she is a woman who has a

24-year-old son. she is not going to have more children. obamacare includes maternity services, pediatric services, substance abuse services. that is not the air bag. >> it is the air bag. >> no, it doesn't. she is not going to need maternity services. >> we share in the cost so everyone can get it. she will need another high-cost service like cancer care or stroke care, god forbid or her kid might get hit by a car or her kid might father a baby. we have to make sure people are covered for those things. >> whether they want to be covered or not. >> if they don't want to be covered or they are uninsured or have low insurance they transfer those costs to the rest of us. that is the point of part of obamacare to eliminate cost shifting so people assume individual responsibility. when you have a low-cost -- >> i get your point. >> -- when you have a low-cost plan. >> there are lots of insurance plans covering hospitalization, doctor services, drugs. they are in the individual

market. they are regulated by the states. they don't need the federal government telling them what they need to get. >> remember the individual -- >> let him finish. >> they high deductible plans they are happy with. you'll hear stories of people that have perfectly fine coverage today, they are going to lose them. >> the individual market before obamacare insurance companies could throw you off. >> that's what we're asking about -- >> yes. that is a comparison. >> dr. emanuel, let him finish. >> let me finish. >> no. let him finish. >> the individual market before the insurance companies -- >> stop interrupting. mr. capretta, the white house response is we're just talking about the individual market. we're just talking about 5% of americans. here's how it was explained by jay carney. >> this universe you're talking about here is 5%. that's the whole individual insurance market, 5% of the

upon -- of the population. >> that 5% represents 15 million people. the whole obamacare is to get 30 million. and that's the holy grail. secondly, is it just the individual market that is going to lose their policies? >> no. small business plans are being forced under the new regulations to pool their workers with a larger pool of other workers. if they buy in the states regulated by the states, their insurance can go up quite a bit. they can lose their plans. lots of companies are facing this now. >> dr. emanuel, it isn't just small business or the individuals. there are -- forgive me, sir -- there are big companies: time warner, i.b.m., sears, wal-mart, k-mart, wall green are all saying they're going to take their people off their

insurance and put them in exchange. those are companies making decisions how they want to insure people -- >> because of the way obamacare works. >> let me finish. before obamacare those companies could drop coverage at any time. before obamacare companies didn't have to offer insurance to their people and many didn't as we know. we have 50 million uninsured people. most of those are workers who didn't have coverage. before obamacare -- wait a second. we were having -- >> are those people going to be able to keep their coverage as the president promised? >> the law does not say sears drop coverage. sears decides what's good for sears. the law doesn't say to the insurance industry you drop coverage. the insurance industry decides how it's going to make money. when the private companies decide they're going to drop people or put them in the exchange you blame president obama. he is not responsible for that. >> mr. capretta. >> he is responsible. they set up incentives

penalize companies if they don't comply with standards. >> you pay no penalty. if you're under 50. >> large incentive in the health care law, they're forcing companies and encouraging companies to do what they're doing. >> under 50 there is no penalty whatsoever. you don't have to offer insurance. >> i'm going to get into one area here. thank you. one of the problems so far is that many more people are signing up for medicaid than are signing up into the private insurance plans in the marketplace. let's put up numbers which are astonishing. the latest numbers out this week. in maryland 82,000 people signed up for medicaid. 3,000 for private plans. in oregon 62,000 for medicaid. believe it or not, this was the number that came out this week, zero for private insurance. mr. capretta explain why that is significant and how it could lead to what folks like you call the death spiral for obamacare. >> what's happening is these people who go on to

the website and enter their personal income information if it is low enough they sign them up for medicaid. they put them in the medicaid program. there is no premium. it is very easy. they say your income is very low. you're on medicaid. people who have to pay private insurance they owe a premium. if anyone goes on, can make it through the website and figure out what's going on they figure out i might owe 1 hundred dollars a month for a premium. >> what is the spiritual that -- spiral that can happen? >> the system will never work unless there are at least five to seven million people on the private side of this exchange not the medicaid side. they are at zero at this point. they haven't signed up hardly anybody. they are going to have a huge undertaking to sign up seven million from december 1 -- >> we've got some agreement here. we both agreed you have to sign up five to seven million people to be viable. the second thing is you would expect at this stage

in the game from everything we know about the skhraepbgz that not a lot of -- about the exchanges that not a lot of people would sign up. that is why i called for it's got to be fixed by november 30. we have until may 31 to get five to seven million people and we would expect naturally -- i don't pay attention to those numbers -- because we expect naturally people will put off -- let me finish. people will put off until the end. therefore, those numbers are irrelevant. >> i've gotten your point dr. emanuel. here's the question. you also agree if they don't sign up -- and i agree this is early -- but if they don't sign up you agree it will be very bad for the system, that in fact the premiums are going to go up. if the young healthy people don't sign up, you said this in an article -- >> look, i agree with that point. there is a potential death spiral if we don't get enough people signed up. by the way, it's not in just six months. we have a couple of years to get this thing up and running and working, and my firm belief and everything we know from massachusetts is that we will get those

people. when you have very good rates like you have in california, $50 for a 30-year-old -- >> here's the last question. with all the problems with the website more than a dozen senate democrats -- not republicans -- democrats are now saying put off the penalties, even delay. in one case manchin is saying tkhraoeu -- delay the individual mandate a year. we heard from max baucus, the senator who helped write obamacare, here he is. >> maybe we should start thinking about delaying penalties. it is not right to penalize people for mistakes the government has made because the exchange isn't working. >> should the penalties be delayed beyond march 31? >> no, they should not be delayed beyond march 31. if the website is working by november 30 people then will have a full four months to sign up and that is no reason to delay. and i don't think you can prejudge now. if it's working adequately by november 30 that's a

whole new question. it's way premature to talk about it. i think it's going to be up and running by november 30. if it's not we can have a renewed debate. but to call for it now 30 days before it is even debuted i think is a mistake. >> mr. capretta, you get the final 30 seconds uninterrupted. >> if we were told all year long it was going to be ready to go and don't delay the individual mandate at this point you've got millions of people losing coverage based on the promise they are going to have something that isn't working today working in 30 days, the window is closing very rapidly. we should be delaying the whole thing for a year to make sure the thing works. this is health care after all. this is their health care after all. this isn't a minor matter. we shouldn't be playing fast and lose with people's health insurance. >> dr. emanuel, mr. capretta, i learned a lot. it was interesting. i hope you both come back to continue this conversation because this story is far from over. thank you both, gentlemen. senator lindsey graham is threatening to block all

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senator lindsey graham has been known to work with president obama on some issues pwhu this week he laid down a clear marker. give congress access to the survivors of the attack on the u.s. consolate in benghazi or he will block all the president's future nominees. senator graham joins us now. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you. >> you have been trying for more than a year to talk

with the benghazi survivors. how many have you talked with? >> none. a year later only one survivor in benghazi has been interviewed by the congress and that person was subpoenaed. why do i want to talk to them? i want to know from their mouth -- not anybody else's, no spokesman, no british contractor, americans on the ground in benghazi did you see a protest? did you ever report a protest? did you complain before the attack that al qaeda was growing in strength in libya? did you make security requests? did anybody try to help you enhance security? >> when you and other senators -- because you're not alone in this -- asked to talk to the survivors or to read the interviews that the f.b.i. conducted with them, within hours after, what did the administration say to you? >> there is an ongoing criminal investigation which is stunning. under that theory we would not be able to 9/11 and cleland sheikh muhammad was prosecuted. i'm not trying to solve a

crime. i'm trying to find out from the mouths of people who were on the ground did you ever report to washington or anyone that there was a protest? how could the president, jay carney, susan rice and all of them claim that this was a protest created by a video if nobody on the ground who lived through the attack ever said there was a protest? two days after the attack did the survivors say to the f.b.i. there was a protest? if they did not, how did the story of a protest start? >> now because you have not gotten satisfaction, you've not gotten the interviews, the transcripts of the interviews or to talk to them you are now threatening to block every new presidential nominee, which is a member of the senate, you can put a, quote, hold on them until you get access to these folks. is that over the to which? >> i don't think it -- is that over the top? >> i don't think it is over the top to try to find out what happened to four dead americans, i don't think it

is over the top for us to be able to talk to survivors. they were talked to by the accountability review board. the state department picked a team to look into what happened at benghazi. they interviewed these survivors to tell us as a member of congress who has to explain to the families are they being straight and honest with you from the obama administration? it is not too over the top. i shouldn't have to do this. i shouldn't have to make these kind of threats. they should provide in a responsible way those who lived through benghazi to be interviewed separate and thea administration to find out what happened before during and after and i am so sad to say to the families this is the anniversary of the election, a year later the congress really doesn't know anything what happened in benghazi from those who lived through it. >> we are talking about someone like jay johnson, who is the president's nominee to be the new secretary of homeland security or as you can see janet yellen, the new chair of the federal reserve.

big jump up. question: how long are you prepared to hold up their nominations and everyone else's, people who are going to be doing and need to do important work for the country? >> the only way this will work is if my republican colleagues get behind me and say to my democratic friend in the senate and the administration we support lindsay's request to be able to talk to the survivors independent of the administration to look at the evidence, to find out exactly what happened in benghazi before, during and after. how did the secretary of defense know about a cable coming out of benghazi in august from our ambassador to washington, the state department saying we can't defend this place against a coordinated al qaeda attack and al qaeda flags are flying everywhere? how could the secretary of defense know that and not secretary of state? here's the way this will work. i am hoping they will relent and allow us to interview survivors of appropriate -- >> if they don't? >> i will ask my republican colleagues and democratic colleagues stand up to the

obama administration. don't let them get away with this. can you imagine if this was george w. bush and he told the congress after 9/11 you can't talk to anybody because there is a potential criminal investigation. we're not going to investigate how 9/11 became the failure that it was. >> 60 minutes ran a story last sunday in which they talked to the british supervisor of local libya security around the consolate before the attack. here's a clip of that. >> i was saying these guys are no good, you need to get them out of here. >> you also kept saying if is place is attacked these guys are not going to stand and fight? >> i used to say it all the time. in the end i got quite bored of hearing my own voice saying it. >> but the obama administration is now going after that guy saying that his report right after the attack to his employer -- he was a private security contractor -- directly contradicts what he told 60 minutes.

>> i don't want to hear from any more british people about benghazi. i want to hear from americans who were there. back to this contractor, they claimed that a report that he apparently did not sign that he never went back to the compound and never went to the hospital as he claims in his book. but what they're not telling you that he was interviewed by the fib the next day and -- by the f.b.i. the next day. here's what this administration is doing. taking part of the file to leak it to try to impeach a critic and withholding information of the the f.b.i. interviewed this gentleman in doha and he claims he told the f.b.i. and department of state everything he told 60 minutes. if he's lying, i want to know that. if to me and the congress the full information he provided to our government, interthe f.b.i. interviews. >> we've got a couple of minutes left. i want to ask you on another matter. you plan to introduce a bill this week that would

ban all abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. even some other pro-life advocates backed off this because they worry it's not constitutional, noting that the supreme court protects a woman's right to abortion until a fetus is viable at 24 weeks. you're talking 20 weeks. >> at 20 weeks you feel pain. at 20 weeks, if they do surgery on a 20 week fetus they provide anesthesia to the fetus because the fetus can feel pain. we're trying to make the following argument to the supreme court the government has a legitimate interest to protect the child at the 20 week period of development because the fetus can feel pain. that is what a rational society should do protect the child that can feel pain from an abortion unless there is life of the mother, rape or insist involved. >> some critics say graham is up for reelection in 2014, worried about a tea party challenger and you

ticked off a lot of conservatives with votes on immigration reform. this is your way to get back in their good graces. >> i've been a pro-life member of congress since day one. i was the author of a bill making it a crime attacking a woman and if she st. st. -- if she loses her baby you can be charged with two crimes, not one. this is a debate worthy of a democracy. what is the proper role of the government in protecting that child. >> senator graham, thank you. thank you for coming in today. always a pleasure to talk to you. next up how serious are the problems with obamacare? our sunday panel assesses where we are one month into the troubled rollout. fifteen mi could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. mmmhmmm...everybody knows that.

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these letters, just shop around in the new marketplace. that's what it's for. >> president obama offering advice to potentially millions of people who are being notified they are being dropped from their current health insurance plan. it's time for our sunday group. former republican senator scott brown, julie pace who covers the white house for the associated press, republican political guru karl rove, and former democratic senator evan bayh. karl we talked about this at great length in our opening debate. how much trouble is obamacare in? the website, cancellations, the whole deal going forward. >> big trouble. the president's job approval rating is tied for the lowest in his term, disapproval rate at its high efpl. the law has gotten more unpopular in the last week or so. these problems are going to continue. let's put this in perspective.

the individual market is being affected. there are about 150 million people who get insurance through their employer. # -- 90 million will be unaffected. those are plans governed by erisa. a total of about 75 ph-bgt plans. in 2010 the department of health and humans services said at least 14 million people are going to lose coverage. that would be 20% of the people in america governed by obamacare who today have health insurance would lose it. other estimates are as high as nearly 50% of people who have health coverage subject to obamacare are going to lose it. that's going to be rolling out over the next year. >> the new yorker had one of its classic covers this week. let's put it on the screen for those who have not seen it yet. you can see president obama armed with a 1980's mobile phone. secretary sebelius with hur fingers crossed and a tech

guy with a floppy disk. my guess julie is folks at the white house are not laughing. how concerned are they about this rollout? not just the website but the whole deal. what is their biggest concern? >> that they are in this holding pattern. no one expects the website will be fixed over the next couple of days. november 30 seems like a fairly conservative estimate by some accounts. all we're seeing now is more website problems and more problems with the actual policy. if the conversation switches to the policy away from the website that becomes even more dangerous. there's nothing that they can say to refute that now because people can't log on to the website. they can't see what kind of payments they're going to be making. all they're having to deal with is criticism not just from republicans but democrats. >> a promise that wasn't a promise? >> they feel like that was maybe a risk they took at the time and now they're having to take a hit for it

but it was worth it given the amount of criticism they were taking early on for the law. it has certainly come back to haunt them. you hear them say reporters, you're the ones that should be providing more context. any time you're putting the blame on reporters you've gone down a bad road. >> secretary sebelius said even with all of the testing problems they had to go on october 1 because that's what the law mandates. take a look. >> i think that in an ideal world there would have been a lot more testing. we did not have the luxury of that with a law that said it's go time on october 1. >> it turns out that is just not true. take a look at this. according to the law the enrollment period shall be, quote, as determined by the secretary. secretary sebelius. nothing about october 1. so she decided to go ahead with this plan of october

1. senator brown republicans apparently decided instead of their earlier policy around the government shutdown, to defund or delay, that instead they're going to sit back, they're going to have oversight haergd -- hearings and they're going to let obamacare happen. is that a smarter strategy? >> i think it is. i don't think anyone wants to shut down the government and go through what they went through before. when the president was in boston it made my boil plan. our plan didn't raise taxes, didn't cut medicare. this one does. it's not even about a website. it is about more than that. it's about can you imagine the government providing a hip or knee replacement if they can't get the website right, what makes you think they're going to get the health care itself correct? >> the one calling for delay now are not the republicans. it's the democrats, senator bayh. there are at least a dozen senate democrats who are

saying let's push back the mandate. let's push back the penalties some saying a few weeks or months. joe manchin of west virginia is saying delay the individual mandate a year. we're going to talk about g.o.p. problems in the next segment but how big a burden could obamacare be for democrats in 2014? >> it could potentially be a very significant burden, chris. and i would imagine most of the people calling for delay are many of the members up for election next november because they're worried about this. the rollout was a real calamity, no question about it. even the administration admitted that. i think the political impact next year depends on two things. number one the behavior of the republicans. do we have another government shutdown come january? do we have another default? if that was the case let's have attention shifted away. assuming it doesn't do that it is going to turn to the substance. if there are many more cancellations that's a big problem. i think the next shoe waiting to drop are cost increases. if you look at what the

american people who have coverage care about is having lower cost increases for the insurance they have. if this causes the price to go up because the minimum benefit package is rich or other disasters, that is going to be a real problem. >> the people are asking for a delay for a year, they did nothing during the government shutdown. they did the dog and pony show with the government shutdown and would not budge on that issue. we started the government again and then all of a sudden we have to hold back for a year and not implement it. it is hypocritical. >> with their votes there would have been enough to plan for a year and reopen the government. >> the american people deserve better. they're frustrated at the lack of attention to the people's interests in dealing with this issue. everyone is doing the blame game and no one is doing business. >> in fairness to them a lot of these problems didn't come into full focus until after the calamity of the rollout. now that they have seen the problems, they say if the government can't get its

act together how can we fine private citizens for basically the same thing. it is not fair. >> these problems were known in advance and they hoped to skate by them. the employer mandate, for example, they knew it was going to be a huge problem if it came into force in 2014 because a lot of people would lose coverage if employers had a significant fine for having a plan not in compliance. what did they do? they delayed that for a year because they knew it would have immediate impact on the election. they did not delay the individual mandate because the penalty doesn't hit you until you file your 2014 taxes in april 2015. they knew all of these problems. >> quickly and i know it's crazy to foresee or predict a year in advance. how big a deal will obamacare be in the 2014 election? >> you will see the white house did what dr. emanuel did today. i thought twats -- it was interesting he said it is going to be five to seven million and those numbers

are irrelevant. these numbers are going to be significant because we're going to have a lot more people on medicaid than an 'tis -- than anticipated. a lot fewer healthier people subsidizing programs of. they're playing with another misstatement. you talked about going to boston. the president said there were six people who signed up in essence under the affordable care act but there were only 128 people who signed up in massachusetts in a comparable period. massachusetts is 2.1% of the population. that means in a comparable period there should have !ú%l9]8.1 americans signing

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. ken cuccinelli is running for governor of v. tuesday and is taking heavy fire. we're back with a panel. the governor's race is a big and there are several on the docket on tuesday. let's look at the latest numbers in virginia. real clear show democrat terry mcauliffe beating

cuccinelli by 7.5 points. cuccinelli trails women voters by 13 points in one poll and by 24 in another. senator brown, for all the talk in the g.o.p. about learning lessons from november 2012 when it comes to single women, when it comes to hispanics, are you guys making the same mistakes again? >> i thought that ad was against me. i thought that was my ad that they were running against me. it's the blueprint they use on republicans. it's something obviously we have to try to deal within a more effective way. i look at obviously cuccinelli's race and governor christie's race. we have a purple and blue state. it looks like governor christie, the more moderate of the two who's approached things in a bipartisan problem solving manner appears he's going to win in high double digits. you have mr. cuccinelli going back to the tea party fiscal and social conservative base and really catering to them.

in a purple state, and he potentially may lose. it's not over obviously. we have to figure out what approach is better. i personally like the christie approach. i think we need to be problem solvers. we need to work together. there is room for me and saeurp and sarah palin. we need to figure out what are we going to do to solve problems. >> virginia used to be, you call it purple which it is now. it used to be reliably republican. if you believe the polls it is possible that on tuesday the top five statewide positions -- governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general and both u.s. senators -- will all be democrats for the first time since the 1970's. julie obviously virginia was the linchpin of their campaign in 2008 and 2012 for obama. what do they see when they look at a state like virginia? >> democrats feel happy when they see virginia right now.

there had been discussion that the reason the state went for obama is because he is a different type of candidate. demographics tend to favor him and maybe if another democrat went to run there maybe they wouldn't have the same results. terry mcauliffe comes with a lot of drawbacks but he raised a lot of money. he has focused on the social issues with cuccinelli appealing to women. you're seeing this coalition come together that democrats believe can be a model in the future. >> as senator brown pointed out there is another governors race on tuesday and that is new jersey where in quite a liberal state, republican chris christie is running for reelection. and at this point it looks like he's going to sweep the victory running an aggressively inclusive campaign. look at one of his ads. >> chris christie, an example of what it means to be bipartisan for the good of the people. his leadership led to real property tax relief and the best job growth in a decade with both parties, christie balanced every budget

without raising taxes. >> karl, when you look at new jersey and you look at virginia, and i want to pick up on what senator brown said, what's the lesson for republicans? what works and what doesn't work? >> i want to dispute your analysis of virginia as being reliably republican. think about recent governors both serving in the united states senate. this state has been in play for awhile. it's been reliably republican at a presidential level but underneath it's had a lot of democratic characteristics particularly when it came to electing statewide officials. in new jersey chris christie averaged as of this morning 59% for christie, 34.7% for his democrat opponent. i think it's going to be that big but christie has had the success of being an

incumbent government who has done a lot of positive things. he's going to be rewarded with a big victory. on the other hand, i want to update your numbers. as of this morning the real clear politics average for virginia is 45.3 to 40.3, a 5-point gap. like i think christie's race is not going to be as lavish as 24, my sense is the virginia race is not points, it's going to be closer than that. 15% of the voters in virginia are either undecided or say they're committed to the libertarian candidate. about half of those libertarian votes are going to go someplace else. by comparison in new jersey about 5% of the voters -- >> i'll put you on the spot. you think cuccinelli is going to win? >> right today mcauliffe has the advantage clearly in the polls. and julie was right. the money is astonishing. $34.4 million spent by mcauliffe to $19.7 spent on behalf of cuccinelli either by his

campaign or the republican governor's association. you'd have to, if you were a betting person, bet on mcauliffe. ize underneath 50% of the vote. you've got one out of every six voters up for grabs. >> senator bayh you used to run and win, i'm going to say this incorrectly, in reliably republican indiana, you adegree with that? >> oh, okay. >> a free lesson to the republicans. how do they need to run if they hope to do better in 2014 and 2016? >> we had a similar problem in the democratic party in the '70s and '80s where we had a far left wing element that just was very dominant in primaries and caucuses but made it very hard for us to win general elections. you see the mirror image of that in the republican party today. the basic question they need to ask themselves is what are they all about? are they here to win elections and to govern or are they here to send a message in which case they don't compromise and let the most conference elements control the outcome. we're seeing that in these two governor's races. you had a governor of new jersey

who responded to hurricane sandy. was seen with the president, seen as a problem solver. and in virginia you have a situation where they changed the rules for nominating their candidate to ensure the most conservative candidate won. >> they ended -- they took out the primary and did a state convention. >> correct. so in a state like virginia, which is now more purple you've got to appeal to women, mod rats, you've got to appeal to independents. that's what the republican party's going to need to do if they're going to win the presidency and have a majority in both houses of congress. >> senator brown, i know you don't like this but i'm going to do it again to you. >> what about evan? >> but, it's come up again, there's another -- >> it's going to come up all the time. >> all right. but people are wondering what this is about. there's another political rumor about scott brown supposedly you would put your house in massachusetts up for sale. >> it's too big. i have kids. >> okay, all right. and >> -- downsizing. >> you've got 30 seconds so let me get my question. you started a political action committee in new hampshire. >> absolutely. >> in new hampshire. are you going to run for the

senate in new hampshire? >> by law, everybody knows that you need to form a pac in order to give $1 to anybody. that's the law. that's the way it is. with regard to my political future listen, there's a role for me. this isn't about me. it's about what evan and karl are saying about letting people know who we are as a party, and how we can move forward with a positive message to convince people how to vote for us. >> i take that as a definite maybe. thank you, i'll see you next week. remember our discussion continues every sunday on "panel plus." you can find it on our website foxnewssunday.com. and make sure to follow us on twitter @foxnewssunday. up next our power player of the week on how he didn't let a life altering accident alter his life. a can of del monte green beans? ♪ ♪ if i was a flower growing wild and free ♪ ♪ all i'd want is you to be my sweet honeybee ♪

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this week we continue our special two part profile of our colleague charles krauthammer. charles shares his political views in his column on special report, and now in his new book, "things that matter." but he rarely opens up about his remarkable private life, which has confined him to a wheelchair. here's our power player of the week. >> it didn't change the trajectory of my life. that's the vow i made to myself when i was in the hospital

afterwards. >> reporter: charles krauthammer is talking about his terrible accident 41 years ago. the devastating injury he sustained. and his determination not to let it define him. >> getting around is harder. it takes a little longer. a little more effort. but, i would say if you were to look at my story it hasn't changed it. >> reporter: these are the last pictures of him standing. on spring break in bermuda in 1972, during his first year at harvard medical school. two months later, he was back at school, diving into a pool one day. when he hit his head on the bottom, and severed his spinal cord. instantly paralyzing him. >> i knew from the second i was hurt, what had happened, why it happened, and what it meant for the future. >> reporter: he had set two books by the side of the pool. one on the anatomy of the spinal cord. the other one, man's fate. and charles was quick to accept his fate. >> the best thing i had going

for me is from the first day i had no hope, and no hope is a revealing thing. i knew what life would be like. and i either accept it or you don't. >> reporter: but his idea of acceptance is not like most people's. while recovering for the next year in the hospital, he continued his studies. and he finished med school near the top of his class, right on time. >> 11:30. >> okay. >> reporter: these days charles drives around washington in a specially designed minivan. he accelerates and brakes with his left hand and steers with his right. he writes columns and essays and of course offers opinions almost nightly on special report. >> who said if you have your plan, you keep your plan, period, is absurd. >> reporter: and after the show, he goes to watch his beloved washington nationals. is there anything that you ever get sad about that you don't, that you can't do? >> i'd like to play tennis

again. or water ski or things. but you know, you also grow up. there are elements of life that i miss out. but, there never was sadness. >> reporter: and that may be the most remarkable part of his story. more than all charles has accomplished and all he does in a wheelchair. there is not a trace of self-pity. not a bit. >> everybody has their cross to bear. everybody. the cross i bear is pretty obvious. but on the scale of things, it ranks somewhere way below the top. you got two choices now. you're either going to live a good life. or you're going to live a miserable life. and that, to me, was a very easy choice. >> although his accident has kept him off water skis, charles was able to pursue another passion, chess. that is until he became so addicted to the game he says he forced himself to give it up. and that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next sunday.

fox news sunday is a presentation of fox news. this week on "the journal editorial report" obama care marches on, despite an apology for the rollout debacle, and growing outrage over millions of dropped policies. president obama says it's full steam ahead for the controversial law. plus, new nsa leaks pit the spy agency against the administration. did the white house okay the surveillance of our allies? all that, and our election preview from new jersey, to virginia, to colorado, a look at what's on the ballot this tuesday. >> i am as frustrated and angry as anyone with the flawed launch of healthcare.gov. so let me say